Heck, if he never listened to any of my prayers growing up then I reckon he won't listen to those bad ones either. Besides I'm sure he can take it he's a big boy. He must be getting used to it now after a few thousand years of having his name cursed. With my luck he'll listen to all the bad prayers and forget about all the good I'v edone in my life. OR He's a figment of our wishful thinking. Question is if he doesn't exist than I must direct my anger somewhere, The Org. is almost like god. They don't hear you cries and all they do is punish
Tyrone van leyen
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Adjusting well after leaving the dubs
by greendawn inafter you left the jws what were some milestone events that helped you adjust to normal life outside the cult eg meeting a genuinely christian group, or getting a good job with high income, marrying a nice "worldly" person.
after leaving i had a nice girlfriend which helped a lot to ease the tensions and an interesting job where i met a lot of people and had some good social life.
soon the jw world became a distant storm far below and after the internet came out i got the long since needed information on some still outstanding issues and lost all esteem for them as i realised the fds was definitely an elaborate con.
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Adjusting well after leaving the dubs
by greendawn inafter you left the jws what were some milestone events that helped you adjust to normal life outside the cult eg meeting a genuinely christian group, or getting a good job with high income, marrying a nice "worldly" person.
after leaving i had a nice girlfriend which helped a lot to ease the tensions and an interesting job where i met a lot of people and had some good social life.
soon the jw world became a distant storm far below and after the internet came out i got the long since needed information on some still outstanding issues and lost all esteem for them as i realised the fds was definitely an elaborate con.
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Tyrone van leyen
Unfortunatly I think your're right about your assumptions on the watchtower Penny. As you can see I carry a lot of baggage. Sometimes even when I'm all alone here, I curse the father the son and the holy ghost over and over again like a mantra. I do it vocally almost like a prayer. I can go one step higher than the watchtower and lay the blame on him. He has not protected me, and he lets evil thrive. He has done nothing for anyone ever. Just pick up a newspaper.
It reminds me of a story from the holocaust where, the Nazis had taken a jewish father and son to send them to therir deaths and the son watched his father call on the almighty in a fervent prayer only to receive a bullet between the eyes. His son came to be a god hater.
Someitmes, I think James thomas has it right that we direct our hate to something that doesn't exist. Well it's better than killing someone I guess. I save lives by cursing God, only to get killed by him, for cursing him. Eat me. Ya got give me credit, I didn't swear in this post.
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Adjusting well after leaving the dubs
by greendawn inafter you left the jws what were some milestone events that helped you adjust to normal life outside the cult eg meeting a genuinely christian group, or getting a good job with high income, marrying a nice "worldly" person.
after leaving i had a nice girlfriend which helped a lot to ease the tensions and an interesting job where i met a lot of people and had some good social life.
soon the jw world became a distant storm far below and after the internet came out i got the long since needed information on some still outstanding issues and lost all esteem for them as i realised the fds was definitely an elaborate con.
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Tyrone van leyen
I can't even pretend my dear, it's a totally foreign concept to me. Not only that I don't beleive anyone really cares. The biggest smile you will ever see on my face is when the watchtower and all its cronies go down in flames. I hope I get to see that before I die.
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Adjusting well after leaving the dubs
by greendawn inafter you left the jws what were some milestone events that helped you adjust to normal life outside the cult eg meeting a genuinely christian group, or getting a good job with high income, marrying a nice "worldly" person.
after leaving i had a nice girlfriend which helped a lot to ease the tensions and an interesting job where i met a lot of people and had some good social life.
soon the jw world became a distant storm far below and after the internet came out i got the long since needed information on some still outstanding issues and lost all esteem for them as i realised the fds was definitely an elaborate con.
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Tyrone van leyen
Penny, your sweet but I can't begin to fool myself into thinking it means a god dam thing to celebrate. Ican't even smile. I finished my gr, 12 graduation with a 75% average in advanced courses and they refused to let me go to the prom. A beatuful girl nemed Holly Ashton from my drama class even asked me out as her date. It wasn't even remotely considered as a possibility in my family. I got my brother to drive me their anyways but sat in the car the whole night. I watched her go in with her new date dreaming of the futuure and sugar plum fairies. They made us walk out of movies, they refused me to go to concerts of any kind, and then when my brothers got married they cut me out of the wedding party and put a guy in my place who I knew was having sex with diferent girls. I was also not allowed to be part of the wedding photographs either. Well years passed and his twin got married about 10 years later. This time they decided to fight for my right to be in and the fuckin elders pulled the same fuckin shit again. I don't have any other brothers that will get married. Thats it!
In my years of dejection I remember walking the streets alone in the dark going to hostels to eat a little dinner by myself. Every posssible situation in life I have been cut out of. Now I an beyond caring! This is a fuckin war. Please ignore my swearing if I didn't do it sometimes I think my head would pop off. This is again making me think of writing my bio but I just can't stop swearing sometimes. I have destroyed several copies of it.
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Adjusting well after leaving the dubs
by greendawn inafter you left the jws what were some milestone events that helped you adjust to normal life outside the cult eg meeting a genuinely christian group, or getting a good job with high income, marrying a nice "worldly" person.
after leaving i had a nice girlfriend which helped a lot to ease the tensions and an interesting job where i met a lot of people and had some good social life.
soon the jw world became a distant storm far below and after the internet came out i got the long since needed information on some still outstanding issues and lost all esteem for them as i realised the fds was definitely an elaborate con.
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Tyrone van leyen
Ya my whole family are Jws. I have one brother that wishes he wasn't though. He cannot escape cuz he got married and has invested too deeply. I"m glad I didn't die at the Y like my next door neighbour on the John. I can't seem to bond with people anymore. I talk with my bro sometimes but all the issues usually throw me into verbal rages like you just saw above. Can't help it sometimes. I know people don't want to be around that, and I don't blame them. It's funny too, I get lonely and then when I meet someone and have them in my company for too long they drive me out of my tree. My dad has done a lot to help me in the last while, God knows why including buying me this computer. I'm safe now and comfortable but it all means nothing cuz my heart and soul were ripped out a 1000 times. I told my folks I died a long time ago. My spirit that is.
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Nothing.
by Narkissos inperhaps this paradoxical "topic" is one with which we here have dealt a little more, or a little more consciously, than the average population.. we used to have our heads full of beliefs (which we called "truth") in every direction: on theology, on cosmology, on paleontology, on past history, on so-called prophetic future, on heaven above, on earth, on she'ol beneath.
on many things -- current events, traditions, other peoples' beliefs and behaviours -- we had strong opinions which were directly or indirectly (the famous "conscience" matters) part of the same deal.
and of course our life was filled with activities and relationships, a community of "friends," people to "help" or "teach," etc.. then, gradually or suddenly, we came to suspect, often with a measure of terror, that all of this was not what we had thought and might sooner or later turn into... nothing.. this "nothing" is perhaps one of the most scary thoughts to people contemplating leaving the org one way or another.
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Tyrone van leyen
Again,I'm not sure if I'm on the right track,but the discovery of self through meditation might be a means of acheiving this. We all have an inner voice or a pilot that we might even call a gut feeling. When we grow up with all this noise or distraction from others ideas,opinions, beleifs in the search for belonging and meaning we can stray from our own natural instincts. I'm not even sure what my natural way is supposed to be since my own,opinions thoughts and beleifs were never given consideration or explored. I beleive the witnesses are conditioning people to shut off every natural instinct there ever was.
I also beleive there is a point of no return if you deny your "self"fortoo long. In order to reach that very special place inside you need complete silence and faith in your self. You must turn off all emotion to be ina semi conscious state for full acess. This helps shut off bias and judgement in dealing with issues and then pick a topic which you want a gut answer too and focus on just that. These are things I have dicovered for myself but I am still a troubled soul. The abscence of emotion in pure thought is perhaps the best state of nothingness in the conscious world.
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Albums, Tapes, or Videos You Had to Throw Away?
by WTWizard inthere are so many songs that the watchtower society says are "bad".
they are the ones that hint on sexual immorality, violence, drugs, or that have reference to devil worship.
or the ones that have swearing in them, which seems to be common these days.. what really gets me is how they find such petty things wrong with songs that they basically want to clean out your whole library and make you listen to kingdumb s*** all the time.
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Tyrone van leyen
I grew up on classical music really, until I became a teen. Although I liked a lot of peices by different composers, I wouldn't exactly have call it my bag. When I bought my first, what you might call, somewhat modern album, it was the Beatles" White album". Nothing wrong with that I thought. It was the 1980's anyways so my parents should be cool with that cuz it was from their day really. My father seemed very disappointed in me but he let it go. I knew from then on there would be a problem.
When we had our little witness cheesie and soda pop parties, I decided I was going to get the most popular album on earth. The Thriller album! There are two reasons I thought that would not be rocking the boat. It was popular, and loved by everyone and also he was a Jehovah's Witness. Well I brought the album to our little cheesie party and my mother announced in front of all my freinds that the album was possessed and she took my album that I paid for and snapped it in two. Thus breaking the great demonic spell and casting out satan and his minions. It would have been nice to be reimbursed for that.
As a result I have always been 20 years behind in the music. I always hear things that people were into ages ago. Does anyone remember the ridiculous Awake magazine with the title "Disco Is it for you"? I can remember even as a kid how stupid I thought that magazine was. These old geriatric codgers think that we should all be listening to kingdom melodies.
To make that point which I beleive to be a fact, when we were teens we went to a young sisters house for a cheesie party. It was her first party that she organized and was hoping everything would roll smoothly. No word of a lie, her father came downstairs where we all were, told us to turn up the lights and insisted we play kingdom melodies instead. The poor girl ran upstairs and cried her eyes out. We were all aghast and in disbeleif. We were all good kids and that wasn't called for in light of the harsh way we were raised. The governing body ,that tries to direct even the tastes of others, has absolutly no concern for the younger generation. They are dicataors, that with endless nitpicking ,ruin lives because they have zero empathy for others feelings, tastes in clothes, music or anything else. I just can't beleive parents not only fall for it, they enforce it. I can remember others in the cong. who were my age who had to get together and destroy all there albums. Lover boy, Ac Dc, supertramp you name it. It doesn't sound beleivable, but these were all the little things that added up to break our spirits and conform to the sick mentality of the borg. It also doesn't help the self esteem of young people or aid in the development of tastes, personality or the feeling of fitting in socially. Every worst night mare you can think of for a teenager comes through in this cult.
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"Religions tell us we have to give up this life for another ...
by serenitynow ingive up our desire, passions, pleasures ... what type of comfort is that?
'die while you are alive so you can be alive when you are dead?'".
this was a thought-provoking quote i read on the weekend from a french philosopher michael onfray, particularly when we know how much one gives up for life as a dub.
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Tyrone van leyen
Ya, I agree. I don't think religionists are dealing with the reality of here and now. If you fill your head with anything other than reality then you have no tools to work with in the real world. If a person tries to be good even with no religion what more can you really ask of them? It's hard enough in this world to be that way. Then you got the witnesses scenario, in which even if you are towing the line and following all the rules it's never good enough. So why even bother. Is all these ridiculous rules making god happy? It's silly and petty. We already have tons of rules. Its called the law.
The funniest thing is that even though they see themselves as virtuous, in private they sin all over the place and are no different than anyone else. Well, actually there is one difference. They sit in judgement upon you. I think the bible calls that a hippocrate. I tend to like the phrase " offspring of vipers' better though.
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Any Non Religious Single Women on here?
by What-A-Coincidence ini've been on dates with very nice women.
but we just don't match up in the beliefs departments.
so...any single non-religious women on here?
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Tyrone van leyen
Jesus Wac. Your refreshingly out of your mind. It's so crazy it just might work! You obviously arn't afraid of rejection. Maybe this is a test to divine character, or just a larf, but its entertaining nontheless.
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Do you get "tired" of "Apostates/ex-jws" bashing the WT to you?
by booker-t ini know it is good to let out pent up anger for healing purposes, but do you ever get tired of some "apostates or ex-jws" constantly bashing the wt?
for instance when you or having lunch and all they do is say "the evil wt this the evil wt that" during the whole time you are at lunch?
sometimes i just don't feel like hearing it especially when i am at an event for fun.
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Tyrone van leyen
I don't get tired, I take breaks. Lets face it these bastards won't relent on anything and they have affected and ruined so many lives there has to be a counter response to it. They need to be trashed in a large way. Governments won't do it. When I'm fully satisfied I'll let you know. I don't reckon that will be for a long while though. Maybe you feel it's ok to move on with your life and that's fine, but others can't move on because of the social dynamic in their lives and mind have been too gravely effected. Many ex jws have had no place to turn and no one to listen or give a shit cuz it doesn't concern them. If you really can't take the bitchin and I know its not always easy, just try to be polite, and realize that it isn't over for some of us. It has become an obsession for some because there entire souls and families have been tied up in its web. This board is a good release but it would be a terrible tradgedy for some who can't vent to take there lives or waste away inside. Beleive me there is a reason they are doing this.